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I want to buy a new motherboard and I know as old as mine is I might not find one but this is what everest shows can somebody tell me what to look for, I was looking on ebay but had no idea what to even look for. I would also appreciate any other suggestions on other places to look, Thank you.


--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------
Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Homepage Lavalys - Comprehensive IT Security and Management
Report Type Quick Report
Computer SCOTT
Generator Kay
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2007-11-01
Time 01:27

--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 31891.HPD.0000.D.0310140908
Motherboard Name TriGem Glendale
Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 400 MHz
Bandwidth 3200 MB/s
Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 2133 MB/s
Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel Hub Interface
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s
Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name TriGem Computer Inc.
Product Information http://www.trigem.com/tgproduct/new/new.asp
BIOS Download TRUST TriGem

--------[ Debug - PCI ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B00 D00 F00: Intel 82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE Memory Controller Hub [B-1]

Offset 00: 86 80 60 25 06 01 90 20 03 00 00 06 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 08 00 00 EC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 3C 03 00 00 41 20 10 20 04 01 00 00 1B 08 10 00
Offset 50: 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 01 39 34 02 00 33 34 31 34
Offset 60: 10 10 18 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 03 22 00 00 00 00 00 00 25 84 41 2B 71 81 00 20
Offset 80: 55 00 AF 00 AD 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 10 11 01 00 00 33 11 00 45 04 00 00 00 0A 3D 00
Offset A0: 02 00 20 00 17 02 00 1F 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 10 00 00
Offset C0: 44 40 30 11 00 00 0C 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 02 28 04 0E 0B 0D 00 10 00 00 11 B3 00 00 20 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 09 00 05 11 0E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 74 F8 00 00 40 0F 00 00 04 00 00 00
B00 D02 F00: Intel 82845G/GL/GV Graphics Controller

Offset 00: 86 80 62 25 07 00 90 00 03 00 00 03 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 08 00 00 F0 00 00 00 E8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 01 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 01 00 21 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 08 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1D F00: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C2 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0C 00 00 80 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 01 18 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 01 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1D F01: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C4 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0C 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 21 18 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 13 02 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1D F02: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C7 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0C 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 41 18 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 03 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1D F07: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - Enhanced USB2 Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 CD 24 06 01 90 02 02 20 03 0C 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 08 E8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 17 04 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 01 00 C2 C9 00 00 00 00 0A 00 80 20 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 20 20 3F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 C0
Offset 70: 00 00 C7 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3F 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 78 BF 1F 00 88 83 00 00 60 0F 00 00 06 00 00 00
B00 D1E F00: Intel 82801DB I/O Controller Hub 4 (ICH4) [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 4E 24 07 01 80 80 82 00 04 06 00 00 01 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 02 20 20 20 80 22
Offset 20: 10 E8 10 E8 F0 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00
Offset 40: 02 28 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 02 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 88 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 10 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 54 22
B00 D1F F00: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - LPC Bridge [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C0 24 0F 00 80 02 02 00 01 06 00 00 80 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 01 10 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 81 11 00 00 10 00 00 00
Offset 60: 8B 89 85 8A 90 00 00 00 80 80 89 83 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: FF FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 20 02 00 00 01 00 00 00 0D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 FE 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 86 29 00 00 02 0F 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 10 00 00 FF 00 00 0D 00 33 22 11 00 00 00 67 45
Offset F0: 0F 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 02 00 00 00 80 00
B00 D1F F01: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - IDE Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 CB 24 07 00 80 02 02 8A 01 01 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00
Offset 20: 61 18 00 00 00 FC BF FE 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 01 00 00
Offset 40: 47 A3 77 E3 B0 00 00 00 0D 00 01 22 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 91 14 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1F F03: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - SMBus Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C3 24 01 00 80 02 02 00 05 0C 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 81 18 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 02 00 00
Offset 40: 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B00 D1F F05: Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-0]

Offset 00: 86 80 C5 24 07 00 90 02 02 00 01 04 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 01 1C 00 00 C1 18 00 00 00 0C 08 E8 00 08 08 E8
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 02 00 00
Offset 40: 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 01 00 C2 C9 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00
B02 D02 F00: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter [A/B/C]

Offset 00: EC 10 39 81 07 01 90 02 10 00 00 02 00 40 00 00
Offset 10: 01 20 00 00 00 00 10 E8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9F 10 89 31
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 01 20 40
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 01 00 C2 F7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B02 D0A F00: AT&T/Lucent LT WinModem

Offset 00: C1 11 4C 04 07 03 90 02 02 00 80 07 00 40 00 00
Offset 10: 00 04 10 E8 01 28 00 00 01 24 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 C1 11 4C 04
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 F8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 01 FC 0E
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 E2 E4 00 00 00 00

--------[ Debug - Video BIOS ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C000:0000 U.Z.G.000000000000G..-. @...00IBM VGA Compatible BIOS. .[.k.y...
C000:0040 PCIR..b%........`........................u........ .....x........
C000:0080 ....................................t......t...... t.....0t......
C000:00C0 t......t......l......l.....0l......d.....0d......d ......d......d
C000:0100 ......d.....0d......d......d.....0d......d......d. ..............
C000:0140 ...................P.....Wb...................... ....{...?...7
C000:0180 ..................{...G..G..................... .?..?........
C000:01C0 .........d$.`..@...........G...W.s.W.s.X.\.P...... .....W...W...W
C000:0200 ...|...\...........G...W.p.W.p.X.[.............?..W.v.W.v.X.\..
C000:0240 /..........?...?.......%..........$..../.../.......%...%......3.
C000:0280 ...........o.............$q...._..._./.....'...'......?.........
C000:02C0 ......./.....)...).....X.................)...).....<g..... .....?
C000:0300 ...../.../......J.....x..?.o.?.o..?.................?.o.?.o ..?
C000:0340 .............|...?.o.?.o..?..............Y....... ..'..'......
C000:0380 ...........(....O..O..................;..@...... ......>.G.....
C000:03C0 ....B..... .o..!...."....#....0.S..2....4.?..8....:....<.i..A .S.

--------[ Debug - Unknown ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monitor HWP2618: Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB]

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What do you mean "what to look for" ?

Why won't you post what Everest says the voltages are ?


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