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Windows XP/2000 - XP Install question posted in the Operating Systems forums; Please to be here... One question for you. I was discussing at work today (with a techy pal!) what process an install of Win XP goes though which makes it ...

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One question for you. I was discussing at work today (with a techy pal!) what process an install of Win XP goes though which makes it specific to the kit it's installed on... any ideas of why it doesn't just image your disk with a virgin (driver free) XP build and then pick up all the drivers afterward as this would only take 5 minutes? :undecided


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Howdy Grommit and Welcome To PCHF,
I think the only reason for that being, not everyone is computer savvy. So to be more for the masses they cant just install an image. Plus ya know MS they have to have their security. This has to match that and this an so on for it to install. Hope thats answers a little about what your asking. If not let us know.


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Thanks for coming back on this,

My question stems from a debate regards installing a fresh copy of XP on a new PC vs using a build from a previous model (or putting you hdd into another PC):
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-Dell Optiplex GX270 fresh install of Xp with all drivers installed.
-Take an image then put that image on the next model (GX280) and remove all device drivers and allow XP to pick up the hardware and setup with the correct drivers.

We tried this and it did work, but if you do a fresh install of XP it seems to run faster. Not sure why that is as the only difference (as far as we know) between the 2 builds is the device drivers.

I hope that makes sense, it's difficult to explain properly which is why I was keen to understand why the MS installation process doesn't just image the disk with a driver free build and then pick up the hardware and install the needed drivers.

Interestingly I tried it the other way around with a Dell Latittude D610 to a D600 and it would'nt even boot, getting no further than Mup.sys when trying to boot in safe mode. Don't know if this is linked as the mup.sys refers to the network card (Multiple UNC Provider) however the next driver to load in the MS boot sequesnce is the Rdr.sys (Workstation service file system driver) which I rekon could be where it gets stuck.

:icon_scra Confused yet? you will be..! I think it may be linked to some low level device drivers which the OS install at the installation point which we can't be changed

Sorry for the waffle, Hengis will vouch for my ability to go on and on, but hopefully this may point you in the right direction.

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If you change your motherboard or your CPU to something that is different to what you had, you should always reinstall Windows. When you install Windows, it sets up a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) which is essentially a reference list of the components in your PC that Windows checks every time it starts. The installation is essentially built around the hardware listed in the HAL.

If something significant changes and the HAL is not modified, Windows freaks out. The motherboard is host and translator for just about every component on your PC through the two main chipsets. If you change this to a different model, sure you can do a repair install to get Windows working again but sooner or later you will probably experience errors. The CPU is a similar situation because of the way one model of CPU might process information compared to the way another model of CPU does.

If you're changing your Windows hard drive, you should probably do this too, but it doesn't have as much importance as the chipsets and CPU.

For anything less than either of those two, you're fine. All you really should do is uninstall and then remove the old device before you put a new one in - hence the existence of handy driver removal tools like Driver Cleaner.

Thats why system stopped loading at mup.sys, makes sense?


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Thanks for the detailed reply,

How can the HAL be modified and do you think that this would increase the speed of the PC to match a fresh install?

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Nothing can be put into Hl to macth a fresh install. Only reason is things get congested after awhle. The MFT get fregged, .tmp files build up. etc. etc.. Although I have noticed the smaller your partition for XP and as long as the page file is not on the same drive it stays faster longer. Maybe almost 2 months, but I woulnt know cause I do a fresh install every 45 day's. lol. But I have XP on a slipstreamed on a dvd along with my reg entries and program files. and drivers. Dont worry I become unconfused very fast lol. But your getting there


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I appreciate that **** builds up from use etc.. but we've been trying this with fresh installs so nothing would have had chance to build up. I do however agree that you can't beat a fresh install, well worth doing regularly, having an image of my XP partition (which I'm now going to reduce in size as per your suggestion!O0) and having all my data etc.. on a seperate partition really helps making a fresh install take about 10 Minutes using ghost - Magic!!

Anyhoo, I think I'm wasting your valuable time now, I know you guys all do this out of the kindness of your hearts and looking through the forum it's very much appreciated by those struggling out there.

Thanks for all you help on this, I may spend some time delving into TechNET KB to see if I can better understand the specifics.:read2:

Thanks again...


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