I usually don't win arguements anyway, nor was I expecting to win this one, just showing my opinion :wink:. I do admit that he has made some mistakes during his administration.

I define moral as the following of Biblical doctrine. His stand on abortion is a good one. His stand on same-sex marriages is a good one.

As far as social security goes, that was down the drain when we started tapping it for other uses, that's really not entirely Bush's fault.

Yes, we have had better Presidents, but he was the best out of the choice .

@Hengis, ? Very well said sir, very well said.

@Space,

I am afraid that your interpretations are once again not in line with the facts. What you are quoting is the spin that was placed on the situation after the Bush administration, the Department of Homeland Security, and FEMA were humiliated over thier unbelievable bungling of the hurricane Katrina disaster.

Not only did the federal government NOT call the governor of Louisiana, she called them and asked for ALL AVAILABLE HELP. They didn't send fire rescue, search and recover assistance, and would not allow the FNS or the Corp of Engineers to bring food and water into the area because she didn't ask for those resources specifically through the proper channels. This was repeated on air multiple times by both Brown and Chertoff before the Spin Doctors of the Republican party got a hold of it. This is exactly my point when I say that George W. Bush surrounds himself with incompetents, if this fiasco has not shown that I don't know what ever could.

The heroes here are the military leaders such as Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who used their skill and training to take control of a horrific situation and help the people who needed help. The men and women of; the New Orleans Police and Fire Departments, the Coast Guard, the Navy, the Army, and all of the loaned officers from accross the coutry are who saved this situation.

While I agree that the first line of help is the city, county and state governments, when a disaster of this proportion hits an area in your own country, that is NOT the time to be playing politics, it's the time to get off your arse and take care of business. You sort out the rest when the people are safe, and fed, and have shelter.

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Like I said Space,

You need some real life experience in what the term "moral" means. I'd really like to have this conversation with you when you're thirty.

Fondly,

Tj

I give up...

What I define as moral will remain unchanged throughout my life, because Biblical doctrine is unchanging .

:-D All I'm asking you to expand is your concept that your moral is not better than another's moral. In fact they are not all that different accross the world. I am going to send you a belated birthday gift if you will PM me with your mailing address, there is a wonderful author by the name of Leo Buscaglia called Personhood, the art of becoming fully human. I think it would benefit you greatly.

TTFN

Tj

No thanks....

Call me close-minded if you will, but I base my morals on the Bible, which hasn't changed since it's creation, however, some people's morals change with what's popular...

That's cool Space,

You'll learn, eventually.

TTFN

Tj