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09-20-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
Merlin i sent you an email that will explain it all!!!!!! 
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09-20-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
:-) Hi Guys,
@a nobody, appreciate the humor, and the kindness of the words of you other fellas, but I agree with Merlin. We have a great deal to be ashamed of. Other countries have not put themselves forward as "champions of democracy" only to set up puppet dictatorships that serve their own needs better than those of the people in that country. Have not lied to the people of the world in order to start a war which benefits a few, and leaves desolation for the people that were supposedly being "saved."
Your president did not purposefully close his eyes to the knowledge that money needed to be spent, to rebuild those levies outside of New Orleans, three years ago, even after all scientific and engineering information was brought to him, because it was too expensive, regardless of the danger it had to the people of that area.
Yet he remains obtuse to the damage he does to our country, both here and with our relationships across the globe. Blinded by the greed of those that delegate his agenda.
My husband has been working for the U.S. government since Nixon was in office. In every administration there are appointed posistions for people who did the president favors during the campaign. However, it is usual for the appointees to have some modicum of competency as they are actually running departments that affect the people of the United States and our policies overseas. Please understand that the majority of the people who work for the US Government care a great deal, however they are not the ones who set policy.
This is the most incompetent group my husband has ever encountered. Their incompetency level can be summed up in the persons of Michael Brown, the EX head director of FEMA, and Michael Chertoff, current head of Homeland Security, (Who by the way, doesn't consider this fiasco his responsibilty, he hasn't had the job long enough, and has considered it appropriate to hide behind buerocracy.) The incompetence of these two department heads is indicative of all of Bush's appointees. Obviously he can't abide being around anyone more intelligent or competent than he is. Which bodes ill for this country.
The people of this country voted Bush in for a second term, not because he has been a good leader, but because we have turned into a nation of sheep. Afraid of that great spector "unpatriotic" which Bush and his cronies throw about as if it were seed. We have allowed a pushy, ignorant, arrogant, man to be the face of our nation. And that gentlemen is our shame, that we didn't have anyone else with the "balls" to speak out against this man in the beginning. We shall be paying for our lack of courage for a very long time.
Sorry about the tome.
Tj
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09-21-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
i am sorry if i offended anyone, :cry:
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09-21-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
:lol: Not at ALL!!! As a matter of fact I plagerized your comment in an email. It was really funny. Wish I'd thought of it.
Tj
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09-21-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
Originally Posted by tjnbarbour
:-) Hi Guys,
@a nobody, appreciate the humor, and the kindness of the words of you other fellas, but I agree with Merlin. We have a great deal to be ashamed of. Other countries have not put themselves forward as "champions of democracy" only to set up puppet dictatorships that serve their own needs better than those of the people in that country. Have not lied to the people of the world in order to start a war which benefits a few, and leaves desolation for the people that were supposedly being "saved."
Your president did not purposefully close his eyes to the knowledge that money needed to be spent, to rebuild those levies outside of New Orleans, three years ago, even after all scientific and engineering information was brought to him, because it was too expensive, regardless of the danger it had to the people of that area.
Yet he remains obtuse to the damage he does to our country, both here and with our relationships across the globe. Blinded by the greed of those that delegate his agenda.
My husband has been working for the U.S. government since Nixon was in office. In every administration there are appointed posistions for people who did the president favors during the campaign. However, it is usual for the appointees to have some modicum of competency as they are actually running departments that affect the people of the United States and our policies overseas. Please understand that the majority of the people who work for the US Government care a great deal, however they are not the ones who set policy.
This is the most incompetent group my husband has ever encountered. Their incompetency level can be summed up in the persons of Michael Brown, the EX head director of FEMA, and Michael Chertoff, current head of Homeland Security, (Who by the way, doesn't consider this fiasco his responsibilty, he hasn't had the job long enough, and has considered it appropriate to hide behind buerocracy.) The incompetence of these two department heads is indicative of all of Bush's appointees. Obviously he can't abide being around anyone more intelligent or competent than he is. Which bodes ill for this country.
The people of this country voted Bush in for a second term, not because he has been a good leader, but because we have turned into a nation of sheep. Afraid of that great spector "unpatriotic" which Bush and his cronies throw about as if it were seed. We have allowed a pushy, ignorant, arrogant, man to be the face of our nation. And that gentlemen is our shame, that we didn't have anyone else with the "balls" to speak out against this man in the beginning. We shall be paying for our lack of courage for a very long time.
Sorry about the tome.
Tj
:-o Wow, that's one of the worst slams on Bush I have heard (and I have heard some pretty bad ones).
I really need to insert a "Proud to be a Bush Supporter" line into my sig...
This is the most incompetent group my husband has ever encountered. Their incompetency level can be summed up in the persons of Michael Brown, the EX head director of FEMA, and Michael Chertoff, current head of Homeland Security, (Who by the way, doesn't consider this fiasco his responsibilty, he hasn't had the job long enough, and has considered it appropriate to hide behind buerocracy.) The incompetence of these two department heads is indicative of all of Bush's appointees. Obviously he can't abide being around anyone more intelligent or competent than he is. Which bodes ill for this country.
Obviously he can't abide being around anyone more intelligent or competent than he is. Which bodes ill for this country.
Reminder: Alot of opinions about competency involve political bias, Bush is a Republican, therefore, he will be incompetent in the eyes of Democrats, but not generally in the eyes of Republicans.
The people of this country voted Bush in for a second term, not because he has been a good leader, but because we have turned into a nation of sheep. Afraid of that great spector "unpatriotic" which Bush and his cronies throw about as if it were seed. We have allowed a pushy, ignorant, arrogant, man to be the face of our nation. And that gentlemen is our shame, that we didn't have anyone else with the "balls" to speak out against this man in the beginning. We shall be paying for our lack of courage for a very long time.
No, he got re-elected because of his moral values. Sorry to bring up Iraq, but I have to do it for this example. In the case of Iraq, we exercised pre-emptive self-defense. We believed that Iraq had the capability to put a nuclear warhead into California, so we did something about it. I do not consider that ignorant, I consider that acting on the availible information (OK, it was faulty, or else he did a good job hiding all of his warheads) to protect our nation. Now, if Iraq DID have the capability to place a nuclear warhead in California and they did, America would have had Bush's head on a silver platter because he failed to act when we had signs that he did have warheads. And doesn't it give you peace of mind that we made sure that a dictator did not have the capability to bring more nations to its kees, and that we have set up democracy in Iraq?
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09-21-2005
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Re: Ashamed to be an American?
We believed that Iraq had the capability to put a nuclear warhead into California
By invading a nation that has never declared war on America (or any other Western nation), nor been directly responsible for any attack on western soil I personally believe you have increased the chances of this happening, not decreased it. 9/11 was never attributed to Iraq or Saddam Hussain nor were there EVER WMD's found in the whole of Iraq - NOT ONE! We were duped! Plain and simple, it was a means to an end.
Sure, Iraq had its share of human rights issues but Bush did not invade for the purposes of human rights violations nor is he protecting the common peoples of Iraq now. Good soldiers, airmaen/women and other service people are dying for a cause that is still unclear. The endgame? Ownership and control of the finest oil reserves in the world...not just in the Middle East but also in the "'Stan" provinces and countries (Afganistan, Uzbekistan etc) and the business that this and war creates.
Is the World a safer place since Bush and Blair sent the troops into Afganistan and Iraq? No. Ask anyone that was in London on July 7th 2005. Terrorism is not a uniform, army or identifyable foe. Terrorism is a belief, a strong belief and sadly, conventional warfare will never stop it. The American and British public are under more of a threat now than pre-911.
I was in the first Gulf War (1991) as an Airman and I left ?the forces soon after because I couldn't bear to be a part of something that had literally no purpose. I believed that defending ones own homeland, families and nationality was my primary goal. Fighting for a cause that was never clear just wasn't worth dying for.
Every day when I turn on the news and see that civilians (including many, many children), soldiers and policemen have died in Iraq I feel a great sense of sadness. How are these deaths furthering the greater good, how are they preventing future terrorist attrocities, how are they making the World a safer place? Given a choice, I wonder how many members of the forces would come home to their families and loved ones and never pick up a gun again?
It makes me think of the simple saying - "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" - Sadly, New Orleans showed the American public just how much their President cared for their safety and well-being. I wonder also how long it will take for the recruiting booths to be back up and in action again in New Orleans?
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