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Default [Conversation] Expensive quotes causes Barnetti to consider options....

Firstly apologies for the newspaper-type topic header but i was feeling creative...

Right, basically my computer wont turn on, ive been told that its probably the motherboard or power supply. Been told by a repair shop that if its the power supply it will cost me £150 to repair...

My computer is a couple of years old and its probs not worth £150....


So...........

options:

Buy a new computer or maybe build my own.


So my main question is....................... drum roll./././././././././


Is it possible for me (AS level computing (C)) with little advanced computer knowledge, to build my own computer. Is there a good guide book on amazon etc. that can help me, or is it not worth messing about with. I told want to solder anything for sure!!!!

Any advice would be great, you guys are always helpful..

Thanks

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Heya Barnetti,

Well, the choice you really need to consider is between price/convenience and expandability.

Building a computer is much more about doing the right research on the parts and getting a good motherboard brand that comes with a good manual. Then you just need to read the manual thoroughly to make sure you hook everything up right.

There really isn't much to building a computer other than some small nuggets of knowledge you'll need. Such as, applying the right amount of thermal paste, and making sure the motherboard is seated on risers to separate it from the case, etc.

So like I said, the real question is what appeals to you more. Saving money and building a computer that will have more expandibility options that you can easily customize. Or spending a bit more money and having one built for you that may lack a bit in options....and quality .

There is another benefit of retail computers...extended warranties. Which may or may not prove to be beneficial. But in cases like the one you're in now, a warranty would have been nice.

If you decide to build a computer, don't even bother buying a book. That's twenty more bucks you can put into the computer. All the info you'll ever need you can find free online, and any real specific questions, you can ask here

Let me know if you decide you want to try to build one. I can give you some great starter advice


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Default Re: Expensive quotes causes Barnetti to consider options....

Thanks for your reply, i really appreciate your offer of help and will definately take you up on it!!

I've been looking about and have found some systems and would like to know if you think i can do it for much cheaper...?
  • AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core 3600+ (AM2)
  • Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32 bit
  • AMD 690G Motherboard
  • 2048MB DDR2 PC5400 Memory
  • 320GB Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 18x DVD±R/DVD±RW
  • 420 Watt Midi Tower ATX Case
  • 2.1 Stereo Speakers
  • 10/100Mbps LAN, USB 2.0
  • Internet Keyboard
  • Optical Wheel Mouse
  • 19'' LCD Widescreen Monitor (5ms)
  • 2 Year RTB
£399 inc VAT (Exc. VAT = £340)


I think i could make it for approx £300 from looking at Ebay, does that make sense?? I may be able to claim back the VAT on any system i buy as well which may make a difference to my decision.

I can see the costly items being Microsoft Vista, and Microsoft Works, is there a cost effective way of obtaining these??

Also the 2 year RTB warranty is attractive, but if i can save enough money i would leave it.


Another option that seems attractive is to get a "barebones" system, which would be good if they already have the fiddly stuff attached like the power supply as i really dont want to start messing about with power supplies if its complicated...


Sorry for the rant, what do you think?
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If those are approximately the specs you are looking for, what you should do is search around and see how much it will cost you to build and compare(obviously). The above deal seems pretty good for 800 USD because it comes with the monitor and Vista. I just always get concerned with custom builds you buy online cause their support is usually very crappy and chances are the components they use are very low end.

If you did choose to go with that, I would ask the company if they can give you model numbers to all the components...or at the very least the motherboard...so you can check to see what stuff they are putting in and what expandibility options you have for the future. 800 bucks is nice, but if it is some low end board that you can't do much more with, then you are stuck with those specs.

What I would suggest if you want to check prices to build your own, is take the specs out of your head when you search for your build. Just start by picking a good motherboard that will suit all of your needs, then pick the parts and build off of the motherboard and fit the specs into your budget. Then if the motherboard at least has all the future support you are looking for, you can sacrifice some specs off the bat to save money and just upgrade your unit down the road when costs drop. For example, you could save money by getting just a single core 64-bit CPU, but have a board that supports single core and dual core CPUs. Then a year or two when dual core CPUs drop in price, upgrade to a dual core then. Or maybe you don't care to have a 320 gig hard drive. You could save and go with a smaller hard drive and maybe get a better video card.

Once you have a good motherboard picked...all you do is pick the components that fit your budget and fit in your motherboard.

Right now I would get a board that supports DDR2 800 memory (if you build your own cause you won't find retailers that sell units with DDR2 800). If you check Newegg.com, you'll see that DDR2 800 is a very popular memory standard and there is lots of competition in that speed. Which means you have many more memory options and can probably find DDR2 800 cheaper than DDR2 5300. And it is also faster But I guess it all depends on availability in the UK...

Does the UK have any sort of online dealer like Newegg.com? I know at Newegg, you can get an OEM version of Windows Vista for a good bit cheaper than the retail version - Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM You should be able to find OEM versions of Vista on Ebay too.

Also, don't bother with Microsoft Works. You can get a near identical equivalent (for practical purposes) of Microsoft Office here - OpenOffice.org: Home The only downside to that is if you would need to open up and share your documents with other people. Other programs like Works or Word won't be able to read Openoffice documents. But if you just need a program to create and print documents for yourself, then that will be all you need. And it's free...

As far as barebones, it may be beneficial to you. It will still be more expensive that way than if you build it yourself, but still cheaper than retail.

As far as hooking up all the power components, you can't do it wrong. All the ports on each device are keyed so that you can't plug things in backwards.

The only real tricky part to building a PC is attaching the CPU to the heatsink and motherboard. The easiest way to do it would be to get a heatsink that has a thermal strip already applied so you don't have to mess with thermal paste. Then the only "hard" part is actually securing the heatsink down onto the motherboard...sometimes it can be a pain. The rest of the build is just like putting a puzzle together really.



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Default Re: Expensive quotes causes Barnetti to consider options....

Originally Posted by barnetti
Thanks for your reply, i really appreciate your offer of help and will definately take you up on it!!

I've been looking about and have found some systems and would like to know if you think i can do it for much cheaper...?
  • AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core 3600+ (AM2)
  • Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32 bit
  • AMD 690G Motherboard
  • 2048MB DDR2 PC5400 Memory
  • 320GB Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 18x DVD±R/DVD±RW
  • 420 Watt Midi Tower ATX Case
  • 2.1 Stereo Speakers
  • 10/100Mbps LAN, USB 2.0
  • Internet Keyboard
  • Optical Wheel Mouse
  • 19'' LCD Widescreen Monitor (5ms)
  • 2 Year RTB
£399 inc VAT (Exc. VAT = £340)


I think i could make it for approx £300 from looking at Ebay, does that make sense?? I may be able to claim back the VAT on any system i buy as well which may make a difference to my decision.

I can see the costly items being Microsoft Vista, and Microsoft Works, is there a cost effective way of obtaining these??

Also the 2 year RTB warranty is attractive, but if i can save enough money i would leave it.


Another option that seems attractive is to get a "barebones" system, which would be good if they already have the fiddly stuff attached like the power supply as i really dont want to start messing about with power supplies if its complicated...


Sorry for the rant, what do you think?
My
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buy a case without a PSU --and buy a really good quality brand-name
power supply-- it's not difficult to hook them up-- a little patience/time ... and it is the FOUNDATION of your system

SilverStone
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OCZ
Raidmax
Seasonic

The ones that come with the case are 95% junk-- and will not support your hardware very well.


If you like to game or do heavy graphics (video editing,etc)
buy a decent video card-- you do not need "bleeding-edge" tech but a good mid-level card will last for years.


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Default Re: Expensive quotes causes Barnetti to consider options....

Thanks for all the advice guys.

My problem is i dont know the jargon, e.g. Chache and sockets, i dont want to buy an 80£ component for it to not work.

I know what i want (basically my computer is 3 years old and it looks like anything on the market at the mo. will seem like lightening in comparisson)

I want a computer that is expandable, that can play "most" of todays game as it stands without further upgrading, and i dont want to wait for programs to load (also, i want to be able to have 5/6 applications such as Word, Itunes, Champ Manager, running and not even need to think about slow down...

How realistic is that for a budget "build-your own"

It definately sounds like a quality motherboard is a vital start, is there a good online guide could read so that i can chat to people on this site and further extend my knowledge...

Thanks for any help.

Yours

Nick



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